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Vancouver Riot Downtown after Canucks Lose Stanley Cup 2011

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by milquetoast, Jun 15, 2011.

  1. kingpin5

    kingpin5 New Member

    She goes to Douglas college and plays on the softball team. She also played softball for a surrey team
  2. Kreed

    Kreed Guest


    I certainly hope he gets charged and what he did haunts him for a long time. I hope people do bring up the fact about his incident and employers do recall him when they hire. I hope his life is tough as he tries to rebuild his life , I hope he is reminded that every day that consequences can and will effect you the rest of your life. Maybe next time he won't be such an idiot.

    The rest of you that partaking in the riot damage and violence same thing have fun rebuilding your lives . I hope it sinks in hard for all of you as you go through life when someone turns you away for what you did or calls you out on it.
  3. 872bagel

    872bagel Guest

    Just saw video of the kissing couple before they were on the ground. I don't have any empathy for them anymore after seeing it. What are they doing in front of the riot police when the Riot Act was read at least an hour ago? Shouldn't they be heading as far away from the police as possible if they were law abiding. If they were just loitering around for kicks because there was a riot going on, shame on them.
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  4. milquetoast

    milquetoast Senior Member

    ^The girl was injured.

  5. 604YVR

    604YVR Full Member

  6. Puzzledpanda

    Puzzledpanda Guest

    To shame or not to shame, that is the question.

    As I watch Nathan Kotylak break down in tears, flanked by his parents, humiliated and disgraced, I wonder to myself, ‘is this justice?’ The riots in Vancouver on June 15th have served to polarize this province in a way I’ve never seen before. The question is looming large... ‘What is justice?’

    Social media has played an unprecedented roll in exposing the instigators, supporters and spectators that were involved in the riots. Initially, the public shaming movement was widely welcomed by those of us who were utterly disgusted by the behaviour of the hoodlums involved. We all know how limited the police and justice system are and how difficult it will be to bring the perpetrators to justice. So, as a result of our lack of faith in the justice system, many of us enjoyed the onslaught of shaming and character bashing that was taking place on these public shaming sites. I know I did. Unfortunately, out from another dark and frighteningly psychopathic corner of our society, came the ‘lynch mob’ (I won’t even call them vigilantes). This lynch mob’s objective was not to expose and hold people accountable for their actions; instead, it was to decimate their lives in any way possible. Further, anyone who disagreed with their point of view was also attacked, insulted and threatened by the lynch mob. What happened here? How did this go so wrong?

    Without a doubt, there are a few ‘public shaming’ sites and blogs that were created with an honest desire to see justice be done and the intention was honourable; the mantra, ‘try these people in the court of public opinion and let the chips fall where they may’. However, other sites and blogs became forums for hate and ignorance. How different is someone who is capable of torching a car in a riot and someone who is capable of terrorizing a family that's only crime was to be associated with someone by blood? I say no difference at all. These lynch mobs have done nothing but embarrass Vancouverites more than they already were and garner sympathy for the idiots that participated in the riot. Great, so now I feel sorry for those morons... Thanks lynch mob!

    Is public shaming justice? I don’t know anymore, but I do know this, if it wasn’t for the thousands of images outing the perpetrators, along with the public shaming and uproar of disgust, Nathan Kotylak would be having a beer with his buddies this weekend, laughing his head off and bragging about his part in the destruction. The infamous Brock Anton is a great example of that, he was a big man, bragging about what he did during the riot (or maybe he didn’t). It wasn’t until Vancouver embarrassed the hell out of him and shamed his sorry *ss, that he disappeared from view. I ask you, what would he have done without the public shaming? Well, my guess is, his story would have become even more fantastical and he’d still be bragging about it on Facebook.

    I don’t buy any of the tearful, pitiful apologies that are coming out of these people after being shamed into it. These people are not sorry they did it, they are sorry they got caught! That being said, they are VERY sorry they got caught and this is probably going to be one of the darkest and most painful episodes of their lives. They have been shamed, they ARE ashamed. Will they do it again – not on your life!

    So what about the hoodlums and idiots that have not been caught or shamed, will they participate in something like this again? Sure, maybe the hopeless losers (who will always be hopeless losers) but the average teen, drunk, thinking ‘hey, he/she's doing it, so why can’t I?’, they won’t be doing this again. Not after seeing his or her buddies put into cyber-stocks and shackles, humiliated and branded offenders - Not a pretty sight!

    Public shaming IS a deterrent, but the questions many are asking are ‘is it worth the negatively, aggression and lynch mob mentality that it has provoked?’ Also, 'does the punishment fit the crime?' These are good questions.

    Has public shaming served to hold those who have offended us accountable? Yes and no... It has, but only for a few of them and those few have paid a terrible price for their lack of good judgement (that's my nice way of saying 'self-centered and ignorant stupidity'). I think they’ve paid enough now. That being said, there are more out there, lots of them. The ones who blatantly destroyed property, put others at serious risk, attacked, injured and threatened law-abiding citizens and police and impeded the police and firemen from doing their jobs. Those offenders have NOT turned themselves in yet.

    Should the participants who have clearly been pictured committing various offences but have not yet owned up to their wrong-doing be ‘shamed’? I think both sides of the fence would like to see them admit their guilt with full knowledge that they will have to accept whatever price the justice system expects them to pay. Should they be shamed? - Well, whether the VPD publically arrests them or a public shaming site/blog outs them, there will be no escaping the embarrassment and shame that will come their way. One way or another, there’s more shame to come.

    Chief Constable Jim Chu has made an ominous statement to those who participated in the riots; his statement is this “If you come in voluntarily, you can do so discreetly and at a time that is convenient for you. If you wait until we find you – and we will find you – we will arrest you in a public manner suitable to the public crimes you have committed.”
    Hear ye, hear ye... all doers of mischief, mayhem and destruction. Be warned now, do the right thing and accept your just punishments... else prepare yourselves for something far worse than what the justice system can dish out.

  7. milquetoast

    milquetoast Senior Member

    I personally don't agree with lumping all the rioters together (easily avoidable flaw in logic), but this is interesting enough to post.
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  8. SuperChimp

    SuperChimp Guest

  9. DoucheBag

    DoucheBag Guest

    I frankly believe a fifth grade would have a higher IQ than these losers
  10. akuru

    akuru Guest

  11. milquetoast

    milquetoast Senior Member

  12. akuru

    akuru Guest

    Jason Li apologizes
  13. milquetoast

    milquetoast Senior Member

  14. Jason McCauley

    Jason McCauley New Member

  15. Jason McCauley

    Jason McCauley New Member

    Yeah I don't think so Jason. Could yo please change your name I don't feel like you should have the same name as me.
  16. milquetoast

    milquetoast Senior Member


    New website set up by VPD to help identify suspects:
  17. Mark Wetzler

    Mark Wetzler New Member

    how crazy those days they were .
  18. mission

    mission Full Member

    Wow, some of these rioters took down their own facebook - not available
  19. milquetoast

    milquetoast Senior Member

  20. milquetoast

    milquetoast Senior Member

    First round of charges have been approved, some familiar names :).


    Charges being recommended for first 60 suspected rioters:
    - recommending 163 charges to Crown against the first 60 suspected rioters
    - 50 men and 10 women
    - average age is 21 years old
    - youngest male 16 years
    - oldest male 52 years
    - youngest female 17 years
    - oldest female 22 years
    The most charges being recommended against one individual:
    - 10 charges
    Top three most common charges being recommended:
    - participating in a riot -- 60 charges being recommended
    - mischief -- 41 charges being recommended
    - break and enter -- 35 charges being recommended

    City of residence of first 60 suspected rioters:
    21 Surrey
    12 Vancouver
    9 Burnaby
    4 Maple Ridge
    2 Abbotsford
    2 Delta
    1 Richmond
    1 Victoria
    1 Coquitlam
    1 Courtenay
    1 Langley
    1 New Westminster
    1 North Vancouver
    1 Port Coquitlam
    1 Seattle, Washington
    1 Westbank
    - 35 per cent are from Surrey
    - 20 per cent are from Vancouver
    - 15 per cent are from Burnaby

    Source: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Va...iot+charges+against+people/5633768/story.html

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