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Comparing Jimmy Carter and Anwar Sadat

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Vivek Golikeri, Oct 8, 2014.

  1. Vivek Golikeri

    Vivek Golikeri Active Member

    Remember Jesus' remarks to his disciples that a prophet is never without honor, except in his own country? The same is sometimes true of political figures. In America Jimmy Carter is often vilified as a weakling who vaccillated during the Tehran Hostage Crisis. But among dark-skinned people and Third World people, he has the same understudy relationship with a saint that a yellow belt or a white belt has with a black belt karate master.

    Jewish people feel the same special love for the slain president of Egypt, Anwar El-Sadat, that we non-whites feel for Jimmy Carter. Sadat was the first Arab leader to make peace with Israel, and he was so warm-hearted and approachable. Jimmy Carter treated dark-skinned people with respect, and cared about human rights. Sadly, he found out the hard way that Christian principles do not work in the Machiavellian gutter world of politics and political skullduggery.

    Before Carter reached out to us, many of us in the Third World resented and feared the United States much the same way that Americans resented and feared Moscow and communism. When I was a teenager in Trinidad if someone told me that one day I would move to America and eventually become a citizen, I would have become disgusted and angry at the suggestion. Yet guess who else is a naturalized American today? Sergei Khruschev, son of former premier Nikita Khruschev. My, my, do times change!

    It must be re-iterated that that loathing and fear of Anglo-Teutonic people did not extend to all white people. Educated Third World persons felt deep sympathy for the way Jews had been treated in Europe. Greeks, Armenians, Italians and generally Mediterranean Europeans were treated as okay because they usually treated non-whites politely and with dignity. And Canadians were often adored and regarded sweetly. I remember Dad telling me at age seventeen: "Canada is one Anglo-Saxon country where non-whites really receive fair and equal treatment."

    It has been so long since I have used the word "honky" with really hatred in my voice. To be sure, I have used it recently on Memebee to annoy and upset some of those racist posters with counter-racist obnoxiousness. But that was just posturing to hurt the bastards' feelings, and I have given up posting on Memebee. They are mostly virulent, low class scum. On Forum Vancouver there is dignity and enforcement of rules. As long as you treat other posters correctly, you can discuss touchy matters.

    Jimmy Carter made mistakes, but is basically a decent man. However, I am categorically unhappy about the way he has been persistently bashing Israel without presenting both sides of the Arab-Israeli conflict.
     
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  2. Bine

    Bine Full Member

    So much to deal with. In the case of Jimmy Carter, his alleged "sympathy" for the Palestinians is a direct reflection to the fundamentalist Christian beliefs he was raised on. No one can deny that the vast majority of Palestinians are helpless pawns in a game they cannot control. Therefore, it is not unreasonable for a devout Christian to side on truly oppressed people regardless of party affiliation.
     
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  3. the mechanic

    the mechanic Active Member

    ... thanks for the nice compliment, Vivek! :up:
     
  4. Vivek Golikeri

    Vivek Golikeri Active Member

    I would be the first to agree that those poor people are rotting in limbo and deserve relief. But my question is, who caused their suffering? The Israelis? To some extent, but the greatest culprits are the Arab countries themselves. Refugee traffic has been equally both ways. Hundreds of thousands of Mizrachi Jews were expelled or squeezed out of Arab lands or Iran. Israel gave them citizenship under the Law of Return. In Arab countries a regular Muslim Arab can be denied citizenship just because their father, even though he is a Muslim Arab, happens to be from some other Arab country! Palestinians born and raised in Kuwait are denied Kuwaiti citizenship.

    There is so such nationality as "Palestinians." They are regular Muslim Arabs, and a large percentage of them are descended from Arabs who migrated from other parts of the Middle East because Zionist investment had created jobs. It is not as if they were solidly there for centuries before these wicked colonizers drove them out.
     
  5. Palestinian

    Palestinian Guest

    You are wrong, Palestinians have refugee status in Arab Countries, the reason of this is because the Arabas believe in the right of return to Palestine, they thing You should ask is Where was the jewish people before 1948 and not trying to twist Historical events saying that the jews where squeezed of Arab lands, that is not accurate, the thing is that the jews where squatters and had no land, what would you do if you have a bunch of homeless people in your backyard? you would take them and let them take your land? be honest in your answer, what happen here is that you are one for the plagiarism of land as long is not your land, Palestine is been there since remote times and was created moistly under Christian Fundamentalism in mind, England before placing jews in palestine in 1948 defiled al Christians taking the land off their hands so the jews could demonize the rest of the muslim population and with this as a weapon and with the plan of Winston Churchill make the first war against the Arabs in 1956 the Ben Gurion's war, the argument internationally was and has been the same A Fallacy, saying that the Arabs wanted to destroy the jews, Historically the Arabs never did something wrong to the jews they just protected their land from squatters of any ethnic group, it was Germany and the whole Europe who was not content with the jewish population and they decided to move them to the Middle East.
    Please get Your fact right and don't distort History, You are known to plagiarise History and facts to merit those to others, with this You become a prostitute of misinformation and one sided individual posing ike east indina when in fact you are a jews who in fur is a racist and a liar, you will ashamed other jews with your proselytism to get international support, but in fact you are siding with the crimes that Israelis committed against the region flooding other Arab Countries with refugees for the confort of the spoiled children of England and USA.
     
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  6. Vivek Golikeri

    Vivek Golikeri Active Member

    Palestinian: First of all, before attacking my character, please learn to speak or write English properly. You just ramble on and on like a mumbling goat. Palestinians have "refugee status" in Arab countries? Aha! That proved my point. Why shouldn't they have citizenship status instead? Those Arab countries are artificial creations. Their borders were drawn by European colonial powers.

    You say that Jews were not squeezed out of Arab lands? Gamal Abdel Nasser expelled Egyptian Jews in 1956 during the Suez Crisis, and confiscated their property. I have spoken with Israelis of Libyan descent who told me that their parents faced violence and harassment just for being Jewish. No non-Muslim has ever really had 100% equal status in Muslim countries. At best they might have "tolerated" or protected by the government, but always treated in such cases as if the country was doing them a favor.

    But what really made laugh about your dumb post was your comment about Winston Churchill in 1956, calling it "Ben Gurion's War." Churchill was gone from British politics by 1956, even though he might still have had unofficial influence. I believe Sir Anthony Eden was prime minister at that time. And you called 1956 the first war against the Arabs. Well what do you call the 1948 Israeli War of Independence?

    Son, you need to go back to school both to learn history properly, and to learn not to write English like a sheep suffering diarrhea.
     
  7. igor

    igor Junior Member

    • Personal attacks, stalking, using multiple names to support own position
    Palestinian: Vivek Golikery is a jew who shifts hate towards east indians, some times IT says that despises her/IT own people and traditions, not able to mask her/IT racism and despise for others. as You can see IT answers are like a mad dog trying to invent history and deform the character of very person who goes against IT, but in reality is a Coward, in another time a guy challenge IT to a face to face confrontation and posed a bunch of very good questions to IT (Vivek) but IT cowardly disappeared and made up another names like milqandtoast or cheeshrreder and some other names in order to support her/IT rabies, IT never confronted that guy who challenge IT. for the way IT refers to You, I can see that You know History and IT only barks insults. in fact in 1948 a race was invented and used for England to invade the Arab Countries to steal the natural resources creating chaos in the region demonizing the same way that IT does. It claims that Libyan Jews told IT some story with such an enthusiasm for oil that IT couldn't resist to believe, yes black gold.

    By the way, I think Your English is perfect. :rofl::laugh:(h5) as for IT = :poop:
     
  8. Palestinian

    Palestinian Guest

    First I am going to say that I am old enough to be Your father [removed]
    Jews are very interested to achieve citizen status for refugee Palestinians so Jews can keep Palestine and avoid the right of return of all Palestinians displaced by the invented people of 1948, Gamal Abdel Nasser expelled the Jews with the help of the Canadian Government in 1956 because they invaded the Suez Canal also expelled England and France, Jews never have property in Arab lands because they wondered for 40 years and never found it, they are Squatters and like all of them they attack innocent civilians and cry foul. I am not going to loose My time with You, first find yourself an identity and before criticizing My English look in to learn some yourself [removed], and try to decide what You want to be a Jew? or an Indian...?
    PS in 1948 there was no war of independence it was a war for Palestine when Your people arrived under the plan of Winston Chrookchill to invade and dispossess first Christians of their land and then Muslims demonizing them so Jews can justify the killing of women, children and men saying "Terrorist" this way those who say it first get the upper hand and influence people trhoughout intimidation.
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    But then again everybody knows who lies and who don't, Learning History is different as oppose to invent one like You do, [removed] :rofl:

    Moderator note:
    Personal attacks removed, repeat warning.
    Reminder that it is against the rules to post under multiple times to support your own position. Warning applied to your regular account.
    Also, your threadstalking posts in the other topic were removed. Next time, they will be deleted without notice with possible IP ban.
     
  9. Palestinian

    Palestinian Guest

    You didn't removed personal attacks from Vivek Golikeri to My person, why don't You show to be ethical and not at all bias?
     
  10. Vivek Golikeri

    Vivek Golikeri Active Member

    Firstly, I wish to express gratitude to the forum moderators for having done their job, whereas on Memebee or the old DV Forum law enforcement was lame or non-existent. Personal attacks, spamming, dirty tactics are exactly why I was forced to leave those forums. Yet there is more to it. Just who are these two posters Igor and Palestinian? Canada is currently under terrorist attack, with gunmen having forced the Parliament in Ottawa to be under lock-down. A few days ago, two Canadian soldiers were attacked by extremists.

    I am not saying that Igor and Palestinian are necessarily involved with anything violent or illegal. However, at a time of national crisis, it might be a good idea for the forum moderators to keep info on such venomous posters handy just in case the RCMP might need it. If tomorrow there is a terrorist incident in Vancouver, maybe the Mounties can get some valuable leads after tracing Igor and Palestinian and calling them in for questioning. You never know what might be behind such characters.
     
  11. Vivek Golikeri

    Vivek Golikeri Active Member

    • Personal attack
    The only reason the internment of Japanese-Canadians or Japanese-Americans was a shameful injustice was that authorities and racist societies didn't honestly care whether they were loyal or not. They were not given a fair chance to establish trustworthiness. So long as you single out individuals with a history or a paper trail of ugly leanings, arbitrary detention during a crisis is justified.

    Of course I am not a Canadian and have no say in your government. But [removed]. Why? Because they have created a corpus of evidence! Keep posting hateful and ranting filth, guys. If Canada is ever under attack, the RCMP can use Forum Vancouver archives to trace you, arrest you, and put you into internment facilities for as long as the danger endures. Nice!
     
  12. Forum Vancouver

    Forum Vancouver Administrator Staff Member

    Let's be civil everyone. The discussion is going off into the deep end.
     
  13. Vivek Golikeri

    Vivek Golikeri Active Member

    All right, so in future I will not use insulting terms like "swine." Obviously, the rules are different here, and I always try to co-operate with the authorities. However, when rules are vague I need you to clarify those rules to me. All right....so if the moderators protect me against defamation or assault, I won't need to use such hateful terms. On Memebee or DV it was like the Wild West where you packed your own gun for self-defense. Here it's like the Canadian frontier where you let the Mounties handle it.

    However, I need to say one thing to the moderators and to all posters. I never "threatened" anybody. Warning that the police or the Mounties could investigate or intern someone with possible terrorist leanings is not a criminal threat. It is legal sternness. Canada is under threat from terrorist kooks. Only yesterday a gunman attacked your Parliament.

    I never accused Palestinian or Igor of necessarily being terrorists. Without proof, that would be defamation. However, they talk like the profile of person who often sympathizes with terrorism or makes excuses for it. There is nothing illegal or unethical in suggesting that perhaps the RCMP could question them to learn whom or what they know.
     
  14. Vivek Golikeri

    Vivek Golikeri Active Member

    And while we are on the topic of forum rules, let me remind all that going off-topic is also a violation. I did not start this thread to debate whether Israel is right or these so-named Palestinians are right. I started it to compare Jimmy Carter and Anwar Sadat. Posters Palestinian and Igor hijacked the thread just as their soul brothers hijack airplanes. They then used it to rant against Zionism and the West, and to attack me and post personal information.

    I request the moderators to warn those two specimens to stay on topic, or else to face censure. If they want to attack Zionism, accuse me of being a crypto-Jew posing as a western person of Hindu extraction, or whatever ---------- let them start their own thread. And bear in mind that even there they can be punished for violating rules.

    I did not create this thread for those two to fulminate about issues they have strong feelings about. If you attend a meeting about dogs and cats, you don't make speeches about spiders.
     
  15. Vivek Golikeri

    Vivek Golikeri Active Member

    Since I lasted posted in this thread, no-one has posted for quite awhile. Is it due to lack of interest among posters ( which is their right ) or is it because once the likes of Igor and Palestinian realized the moderators won't tolerate corrupt behavior, people shy away? To be sure, I would rather my thread just die away than be used to post filth. But if anyone has any intelligent comments to make about either Anwar Sadat or Jimmy Carter, please chime in.
     
  16. Vivek Golikeri

    Vivek Golikeri Active Member

    Saw a television documentary last night about the early history of Zionism during the Ottoman and British Mandate periods. That is what caused me to revisit this thread. Sad. Both sides were only trying to protect their own basic interests. The Jews needed a country. But in creating that country, they inevitably stepped on the toes of Arabs already living in Palestine.

    Indeed, the very shape of modern Israel was influenced by the patterns of land ownership in Palestine. Up in the mountains of the West Bank, most land was owned by small peasants. They had no incentive to sell it. But in the lowlands the owners were absentee landlords, and its tillers were tenant farmers. Thus technically it was proper purchase, not land robbery. But those same purchase required evicting people who had lived and worked there for generations. From the viewpoint of the local farmers, it was usurpation.

    The tigress and her cubs would starve if she did not kill prey. But in order for them to eat, some herbivore must die. The same cruel moral dilemna played itself out in Palestine unless the Arabs and the Jews had worked out some system to co-operate......which they did not.
     
  17. I'm not joking!

    I'm not joking! Junior Member

    Moderator, is obviously one sided with golikery giving Him/Her the right of insulting You Palestinian, and You are right, Israelis are Squatters, Zionism was created to steal land, and when Canadians realize this will be too late.
     

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